Empathy to Impact: Global Citizenship Education & Community Engagement from a Student Perspective

Scott Jamieson (he/him): Welcome to the empathy

Scott Jamieson (he/him): impact podcast

Scott Jamieson (he/him): I am very excited to be joining some service learning leaders at NIST in Bangkok this morning. And we're gonna be talking about some of the opportunities for students at NIST some of the different initiatives that are happening and learn a little bit more about service learning at this is why we're not live

Scott Jamieson (he/him): and learn a little bit more about what service learning looks like. Sounds like it feels like

Scott Jamieson (he/him): if you're a student and miss. So I'm gonna pass over to my 4 guests this morning for some quick introductions, and then we'll dive into our conversation.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Hi, everyone my name is Ronnie. I'm a year 11 student, so grade 10, and I'm a leader of plastic freeness and a member of service group.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Hi! My name is Renna. I'm in year 10 or in ninth grade, and I am involved in plastic Renas, rooftop, garden and service. Go.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Hello, everyone! My name is Tun. I'm in year 10 or Grade 9. I am a member of Service Co. And also involved in the community service cured for its Rangers and the friends of Emmanuel Orchestra.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Hi! I'm Louisa. I'm in year 9, and I'm participated in plastic freeness. Dw bi and service. Call.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): So maybe we can start by talking a little bit about service. Co.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): like, you guys all mentioned that in your introductions. What is that all about? What does its function at your school.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: So service call is a

Louisa (ZengYi) W: big group of students. We're all really passionate about service.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: and we try to make service a really smooth, flowing process at our school to ensure that all the initiatives from other service groups are meaningful and well organized, and that we can really create like a a well rounded event that has a lasting impact on the school. Yeah, so essentially, we're just this big group of passionate students who are basically overseeing. So this learning at this.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): Sounds fantastic. You also mentioned a pretty wide variety of different opportunities for students.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): and I was able to visit your campus last semester and get to talk to a number of students who are involved in service learning. Can you tell me a little bit about

Scott Jamieson (he/him): the choices you have as students to get involved in service, and how that led you to the organizations that you're working with. And you're passionate about.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: At mist. I feel like we really value passion. And what we truly want to do, instead of just joining service because you have to. And that's also what service Co is stressing a lot to our student body. And, for example, for me, I really focus on well plastic greenish, which is plastic reduction. And we used to have this thing on eco schools as well.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: which is basically overseeing the environmental sustainability in our school. So I always knew my passion was going to be environmental sustainability, and it's also something that I want to pursue in the future. So that kind of like naturally led to me, being involved in those groups. But I know there are literally countless service groups here at NIST, and they all target different kinds of Sdgs, they all target different kind of audience.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: It's just a great opportunity for us to get involved in what we really want to do to our role.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Yeah.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: and we'll be also host. Our school also hosted many like fun events for students to better understand, like the service and different categories, and to find their own interest so they can know like which one are they interested so they can be more participated in, and, like some events like examples, are like Earth week, and like pink tober, and other like my purple. My school day. Yeah.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): I like. What you were talking about in the beginning. There, about how this is all about passion, and not something that's prescripted. We're not saying, Hey, you have to do this many hours, and we see a lot of different models of this in school. We sort of are kind of along for the ride, but not really kind of deeply engaged. And I love this gives you a lot of opportunities to kind of follow your passion and get involved in

Scott Jamieson (he/him): a meaningful way in service.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): First

Scott Jamieson (he/him): for you as students. Why are these opportunities important at your school?

Louisa (ZengYi) W: I think

Louisa (ZengYi) W: for students, it's often like we have a passion that we care deeply about. But there's not always the right opportunity to work on that passion, and it's like really easy to feel kind of hopeless with like all the situations around the world right now.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: So for me, I feel like service is a really great way for students to start advocating for their opinions and start advocating for what's like right and create a change in the world or in the school, however small, is still, we are taking action towards a like more positive future, and that is, I think, like a really big service.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: And you know not only that there are countless service groups here. At this we also given the opportunity to create our own service group if wanted to. So that really gives us that opportunity to really dive deep into the passion that we have and really expand our reach

Louisa (ZengYi) W: to solve global issues as we'd like to say it. And I really like how Ronnie and Tim both mentioned that it's like a gateway to creating change and not necessarily like the ending outcome of a change because we get it. Service is something that's that starts at school and school. If you compare it to the world. It's such a small community, I guess. So if you look at it that way. Starting service at school can lead to. For example, me, who wants to like

Louisa (ZengYi) W: do something about sustainability in the future. It's like a good pathway to follow through. So if I start here at NIST, maybe when I become. Let's say, if I go to university, I can expand that connection and hopefully create like a bigger change in the world.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): I love that. And you're absolutely right. We have opportunities to connect with community partners. And this is what those people do as a career as a job and getting an opportunity to get a bit of a feeling for that while we're in high school, and this might be something we pursue further on. And as we study in university and moving on from there.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): you mentioned about the Sustainable Development Goals, and how these issues are really really big like these are big global issues. And sometimes that leaves us feeling a little bit overwhelmed.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): But you talked about how in your small community, you're able to feel like you're making a difference. I wonder if we could talk a little bit more about that? How do we take these big global issues and sort of bring them down into something that's manageable for us to take on and take action and have a positive impact.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: We learn about Sdgs and obviously learning them in school and class would be kind of focusing on the main topic. Looking at different case studies around the world. But in terms of service. What actually, we take initiative of, we try to kind of narrow it down into what we can actually manage. So is it feasible when we think about Service Co. And when we look at different proposals coming in from service groups, we always have kind of like a checklist

Louisa (ZengYi) W: of saying, is that event, or is that proposal feasible? Is it actually effective? We look at all of these things, and we have to evaluate whether it would actually be effective to our community because we're definitely not going to make a world

Louisa (ZengYi) W: scale impact in just one go. And I feel like if we have to look at it in a school scale, we should kind of evaluate that through and make sure we also manage service groups here to kind of take

Louisa (ZengYi) W: the action that they need to. So that's our role as service go as well. So essentially.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: we need to start small.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: You know, it's impossible to just reach out and go straight for a global. For example, a global reduction of plastic. You know, we need to start with those small stepping stone that leads us closer to that ultimate goal. And whether that's making an impact within our school, as Reno stated, or making an impact in, you know, neighboring communities in Thailand.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): I think those small actions I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: I was just gonna add that, like all service groups their community partners are like in Thailand most of the time. So that's like another way to make sure that we're creating a meaningful impact rather than just trying to tackle this like really, big issue is if we can connect in a local community based style. Then we can like create a feasible impact in our surroundings.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): Ronnie. I think that's such a great point, because a lot of times we think about you know how we might be able to connect with the community. It's really far away from where we are. And that can be challenging because we're not necessarily part of that community. We don't necessarily deeply understand that community and that community's needs. But if we can connect in our own community.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): and even if these actions are like on a global level kind of small like all these things really have an impact. Like, I think all of these small positive actions really add up in a way that we're making a change in our community in a positive way.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): We're also inspiring others to be part of that actually be part of that change. And that's gonna have a ripple effect moving out. When we think about the Sdgs we're not looking at, there's not gonna be one silver bullet kind of solution to these problems. It's gonna be millions and millions and millions of local solutions. As we work towards that aspirational future. That's a little bit more sustainable. And thinking about how we move forward in that direction. I think that's really exciting.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): You talked about community partners.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): What have you learned from working with some of the community partners that you work with in your community.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: I think the main thing is to like really keep an open mind, because there's a lot that there's a lot of differences between like our experiences and that of the community partners. And so there's like this barrier that is often seen between the service groups at first.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: But if students really keep an open mind and focus on like learning about that issue, learning about that community partner and like finding ways that they can like support that. Then I think that's the best way to go about it, because if we assume that we are the solution without really connecting first, then there's no real impact, and it just feels kind of fake.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): I think it's a really good point is the thing about how we design solutions collaboratively with our community partners, because oftentimes we think about. You know, we might have some ideas where we come into a space and think, Hey, this is how we might be able to help. But if we don't really understand and connect and listen to really understand what their needs are. You know, sometimes that maybe doesn't land quite right, or maybe that's not something they need.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): So I think that we're kind of reciprocal relationship that we can develop with our community partners is it's such a great learning experience for us. But also, you know, thinking about how we develop that collaborative solution that way, our community partner, once we step away, we're not entirely responsible for that solution. It's kind of that shared responsibility.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): And you know, we can be working together towards that goal. But you know, if we do, you know, after eventually, you guys are going to graduate and move on. And hopefully, some new people are gonna come in and take your place in some of these great service organizations. But making sure that this is a sustainable solution, I think, is really important. When we're working with community partners a lot of times, we think about action. You know we we are not necessarily addressing some of these root causes of the issue. We're addressing

Scott Jamieson (he/him): just the symptoms. And you look at something like a a beach cleanup is a great example, or something like that, where we're going out to a space and picking up trash. We don't really think about how that trash got there. In the first place.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): you know, we're not really addressing the root of that problem, and we're probably gonna end up having to do that again in a few months, because we're not solving the the underlying issue.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): So I love what you're talking about. Just that collaboration with your community partners.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): You mentioned earlier that even though you have all this choice with service learning groups at your school and different ways, you can get involved. There's also opportunities for you to start a new organization at your school.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): Tell me a little bit more about that.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: So that's actually what we mostly facilitate at service. Co. As Reno mentioned earlier, we have these things called proposals. It's where students, that is whether they are in a service group or not. They can send in proposals. For example, if they're not in a service group, they can send in a proposal to make their own service and extend their passion for a global issue related to an Sdg.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Now, how we facilitate that process is

Louisa (ZengYi) W: actually quite simple. I say, inside this code we have a wide variety of

Louisa (ZengYi) W: students who are in

Louisa (ZengYi) W: different service groups

Louisa (ZengYi) W: throughout this. And I think.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: having

Louisa (ZengYi) W: many perspectives within this team is what really

Louisa (ZengYi) W: helps this process be go as smooth as possible.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: And also I just wanna I mean, it's kinda like for you to end. But I know that ton has created a service group before. And what was it? Force Rangers? Yeah. So you could talk about that.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Yes, I co-founded for strangers with a group of friends back in year 8. So that was 2 years ago.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: the service group officially started in year 9 in year 8. We were just a blob.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: We were a group of

Louisa (ZengYi) W: ambitious students. Would

Louisa (ZengYi) W: a bunch of ambitious goals, if you, if you would

Louisa (ZengYi) W: to

Louisa (ZengYi) W: raise forest rangers over the poverty line.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: and

Louisa (ZengYi) W: at the beginning we

Louisa (ZengYi) W: didn't really know what to do.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: You know, we we had some good ideas. We were brainstorming, but

Louisa (ZengYi) W: it didn't really go anywhere.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: but that was before we

Louisa (ZengYi) W: really found out what service goes for.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: And that's when we try to reach out to saw this Co. You know, starting to send proposals, and

Louisa (ZengYi) W: we were given

Louisa (ZengYi) W: a few steps

Louisa (ZengYi) W: to reach that goal of starting our service group.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: So those few steps, I think.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: was probably

Louisa (ZengYi) W: one of the most important parts of forming forest rangers, because without the guidance of service code, forest Rangers wouldn't be here today.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Yeah. So like for me, like one good thing for me about service code is, we have like a big team, and we have like different perspectives from each member. So like each members, and the mentor will give, like good suggestions and feedbacks to engage the students to create their own service group and the things that they're passionate about.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: And I just want to kind of add on that in service. Co. Not always. All proposals go through. And that's kind of like the harsh reality of service at this. There's so many students having such good ideas that we kind of have to think about the schools. Well, capacity, and what we can do as service Co members. So we were actually discussing this a few days ago in our meeting as well how we

Louisa (ZengYi) W: probably have too much workload sometimes as well as we're being a little bit too nice or too critical in a way. So both aspects can be seen. So sometimes we kind of

Louisa (ZengYi) W: reject ideas due to its constraints, and that but that doesn't stop this students from closing more, which I really think is the strength of our community is that if they found out that their idea got rejected they could reach out to us, asking why? And we assist them further, so that they can actually achieve what they want to do. And I feel like many service groups go through that process of kind of

Louisa (ZengYi) W: proposing and then fixing and then proposing it. Again, I feel like that process is what makes service learning at nest really strong and meaningful.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): I really love how you have that sort of collaborative approach where you're, you know. Maybe a proposal is not quite there yet.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): but you're able to give them some feedback and sort of help them kind of refine their ideas to really bring that to life

Scott Jamieson (he/him): and tone, said a little bit about ambition. And, you know, being really excited about a topic, but not being able to kind of form that in and thinking about, there's a lot of skills and leadership qualities that

Scott Jamieson (he/him): we need when we're thinking about running events. And we're thinking about no, our work with service code.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): How have you grown as leaders through your involvement in service. Edness.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: So for one thing, that, like my experiences of participating in so many service groups is that each service group, they will be given different tasks to different members. So that doesn't mean that the leaders taking the huge role, the whole roles of every single thing. So that that means, like

Louisa (ZengYi) W: every single of the members, get the chance to show their passions and work on the things that could help their service group and to maintain their goals. So I would say that that's one of the way that helps the members to improve their leaderships and experiences.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Yeah. And for me personally, the way I would describe gaining experience in terms of leadership for students at this, there's actually this one where it's called constructionism.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: It's something.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Basically, it's learning by doing

Louisa (ZengYi) W: with leadership. Obviously, that doesn't come. Naturally, we we need experience. And

Louisa (ZengYi) W: that's

Louisa (ZengYi) W: what being in Service group

Louisa (ZengYi) W: gives us. That's what being in leadership roles in Service group gives us students at miss.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: As we progress through the year, we come across

Louisa (ZengYi) W: different problems.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: challenges, obstacles, etc. And we need to

Louisa (ZengYi) W: use the experiences that we've garnered throughout the year to solve those issues. And in turn, I think that's what really improves and

Louisa (ZengYi) W: takes out that leadership potential in each and every one of us. And there's this thing called an S. Yl, which stands for student youth leaders. And it's basically the leaders of a service group. And what Louisa mentioned.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: people might think that there's a really big well, like gap or barrier between the Syls and just the members of a service group. But that's not really the case here, because everyone's assigned a role, and everyone can improve their leadership in their own way, even if their label is not an syl. We still see immense growth of leadership between people and how people just really take on their passion. And I feel like that's a way of growing leadership, as well.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): I love. They're giving everyone an opportunity to be leaders. And you know it's not that sort of typical sort of pyramid structure where you have the leader on top, and then you kind of work your way down. But really more of constellation approach where everyone has an opportunity to develop as a leader, everyone has an opportunity to share their strengths and be involved in a meaningful way, and it gets such a great model for leadership in your groups.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): What challenges do you face? You guys are involved in a number of different initiatives. Mostly, you guys are involved in more than one service group.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): What challenges do you face in terms of keeping momentum

Scott Jamieson (he/him): going for the whole year? How do you kind of keep that energy up as as we kind of continue through these different set through the whole school year especially, you'll be busy students with a lot of other things going on.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): How do you find that time and find that energy to really keep these initiatives going. Louise talked a little bit about fun kind of having events that are. They're fun and engaging earlier. Now, what if we can just kind of zoom in on that a little bit and think about how we kind of keep that energy and momentum as we go through a school year with a service group.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: So I think, as service call. We really encourage students to propose events, especially because while meetings with service groups are obviously very productive and meaningful. They could become like like long, lasting and tiring as the year goes on, and to really encourage the people in the service group to like, participate, and to give them that feeling that they're like really creating an action, and that they're really making a change in the community

Louisa (ZengYi) W: an event is a really great way to engage with other people

Louisa (ZengYi) W: and see how like what you do in your service group and what you learn about impacts the rest of the school. And just making that change and engaging with your passion in that way is, I think, a really great way for all all the members to like rekindle their passion, especially towards the end of the year, where it's like

Louisa (ZengYi) W: everyone's really busy. If we have an event to look forward to. Then that is like a really great way to stay motivated. And I feel like as service Co members here. We do have quite a lot of things to balance kind of juggle through.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Especially in times where we have a lot of overlapping events and a lot of proposals coming in. We usually probably have maybe 4 to 5 proposals every week. So it's quite a lot. And it's well, obviously there's small events. But big events as well. So for us, as service call members, we try to spread and distribute our workload as much as we can, and also

Louisa (ZengYi) W: not disregarding the passion that we have in ourselves. We tend to kind of oversee other service groups which make us

Louisa (ZengYi) W: more like a supervisor, I guess, rather than a contributor. But that's not the case. Like we also really care about well, global issues. And that's why we are in service go. So we also kind of have to sometimes.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: sometimes maybe service call meetings could be a little bit well, I'd say, like.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: I wouldn't say tiring, but I would probably say challenging, yeah. And in that case I would probably just

Louisa (ZengYi) W: focus on what I'm truly passionate. So if I'm into environmental sustainability, I would probably rep an event that's related to environmental sustainability. So I feel a little bit more engaged and just looking forward to what I'm about to do in service go. So I think, as members as well. And since there's exams coming up, there's

Louisa (ZengYi) W: people from all over the year levels, we have what? You're 11 here. So yeah, considering our workload, I feel like service Co members. We also try to

Louisa (ZengYi) W: sometimes take some rest and also engage in final service activities.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: and we also divide like our service code is also divided into 4 to 5 project teams. And we understand, like there's a lot of challenges go through service every single time around our school, and when, like the challenges came, we'll be dividing those like different tasks

Louisa (ZengYi) W: and like the issues to different groups. So we can like tack on like a specific part like in a specific group. So each group will have like a more like a professional, like

Louisa (ZengYi) W: like, not professional. But they would be more like working together on like a specific like focusing on like a specific point and working together to discuss to face over the challenge. Yeah, I'd say a more targeted approach. Because, the project teams we have inside this call is

Louisa (ZengYi) W: we have service communication. So that is overseeing. Basically the promotional aspects of service learning at, Miss. We also have the whole school team that Ronnie is a part of Ronnie. Do you wanna explain that a bit? So whole school focuses on how we can engage both parents and elementary students in our service, because right now, service is very secondary student based.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: And we wanna make sure that all staff members, all parents and all elementary students are really engaged, especially in the bigger events throughout the year. So that there's really a whole community wide impact.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: There's a finance team which is a little bit more technical. And what I'm in is the training team. So we kind of plan sire trainings. So that service. Learning at mist is more well sustainable as well as effective. So we do trainings probably twice every school year.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: and we just gather all the S fils and kind of go through resources. Discuss effective meeting ideas, stuff like that. And we also are set starting to plan kind of like a retreat for a service code which is basically a workshop for us ourselves.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: And looking into how to be an effective service call Member leader just looking at service in general. Yeah.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): Love! It.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Last oh, yeah.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): Go ahead, Eliza.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Oh.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: okay, yeah. But last and but not least. We also have like service, like for the service com, for like communication, and for our our mission is to like posting like advocate to the NIST community about like service events and also the Sdg problems. So

Louisa (ZengYi) W: therefore, like the each, like business communities, can better understand, and also to be engaged in service more.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): I'm so impressed. I think that's so cool because a lot of times at a big school like your school, not everyone knows when things are going on. And that communication piece is storytelling piece is so important. And I love you guys have a focus on sharing that across your community, not just with, you know, students, but also with teachers, with parents, and kind of getting your whole community involved in this. And I think that's so powerful.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): So I'm listening to all these kind of different structures you guys have in place. And it sounds like super organized and really awesome.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): And I'm wondering, I'm thinking about students who are maybe students or teachers who are listening to our podcast and maybe don't have the amount of kind of infrastructure in place for this, or the amount of opportunities for students to get involved in service. How might they get started at their school if they're listening to this and say, Wow! What a great opportunity for students, so many choices to get involved!

Scott Jamieson (he/him): How do we start something that is at our school? What would be something you would share to kind of them to think about how they get something. This off the ground.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: What we see works well in service. That nest is probably finding someone that has the same passion or similar passion as you would probably be our best advice in a way. When we have proposals coming in, when we have events, we usually it's more successful when there's a group of students who are all passionate instead of one of them just being passionate and the other ones just kind of following them. So if

Louisa (ZengYi) W: someone wants to start some kind of initiative at their own community. I feel like

Louisa (ZengYi) W: working alone could possibly work. But working, collaborating together with someone else, or a group of people is something that can really start up a great initiative. And I think that leads to planning as well.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Planning is quite important. We really say that to our student body as well, because without plans, we're not sure if everything's gonna go well, and we just need to kind of

Louisa (ZengYi) W: foresee what kind of possibilities, what kind of risks there are in doing something. So probably those would be my best advice if anyone else has.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Yeah, adding on to the planning aspect, I think a really important part of it is looking at the needs of your partner. So once you found, like the initiative that you're truly passionate in, and perhaps looking into partners in your community that you can work with looking at their specific needs. So if their needs is more like, for example, education based. Then obviously,

Louisa (ZengYi) W: only donations wouldn't work so like money donations wouldn't work to like solve that issue. So to make sure that the service is really meaningful. We really need to look at how we can address those specific needs and support them in like issues that they're facing

Scott Jamieson (he/him): That's some great advice. And I really appreciate that.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): Is there anything else that you guys would like to share, that I haven't asked the right question to allow you guys to share with our audience

Scott Jamieson (he/him): from your experience as service leaders at NIST.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Or service call like each year, or each semester, we will be also having like a reflection. So this is like a way to help us to reflecting. What are some things that we did? Well, in the past? And what are something that we did? We didn't like achieve like

Louisa (ZengYi) W: some cons about our actions. So we'll be basically having a form. But it's anonymously so. Nobody knows whose like form answer is that so each members can just present their opinions on what goes well each year, and on that semester we giving like feedbacks, like the

Louisa (ZengYi) W: I would say, like more accurate like, it's not like fake or any vague feedbacks. It's more like what we truly think in our mind to each other, and we reflect on it. We share ideas in the meeting on what people wrote and

Louisa (ZengYi) W: giving like, an action of what we are gonna doing and planning for the next part. And that's basically what we also we did in like Service Co. And, for example, we had, like the proposal problem, something challenging. So our next step is to make a checklist to make sure that when someone is submitting the proposal, what our member needs to check with them and what they need to be done before

Louisa (ZengYi) W: sending a proposal.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): I love the growth mindset there. And you know, looking at how we're celebrating the things that we that are going really well, but really taking that time to reflect and think about. You know, what did we achieve this year? Sometimes we get lost in the busyness. And there's some amazing things happening. But also, you know, where do we aspire to be next year? And how are we gonna continue to grow as an organization? So I'd love to get that as kind of part of your culture with service. Go. That's fantastic.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): I'm just watching the time. I know you guys have to get to class soon. So wanna say, thank you so much for finding some time to share your experience with me on the podcast it's been so great to a chance to talk to you and to meet you, and I'm so inspired by the work you're all doing. So. Thank you.

Louisa (ZengYi) W: Thank you. Thank you for your time, too.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): Alright, I'm gonna turn off everybody.

Scott Jamieson (he/him): There we are!